Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. We respect your privacy and take protecting it seriously, How to plan a trip to Ireland (in 9 steps), Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. I am African American and my last name is Mclilly. if you go to a protestant area in belfast they are putting polish and africans out of the area. One of the most famous people with the surname MacDonald is singer-songwriter Amy MacDonald. Does anyone have any further information regarding my family name? Its really amazing to see once you notice it. I have never heard of these Irish. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign people. It is said that the first family of Black were converted to Christianity by Paulinus, the head of the family being Prefect of Lincoln, about 628. we live beside the english and have been treated badly for a long time. Black Dutch (genealogy) Black Dutch is a term with several different meanings in United States dialect and slang. Murphy is one of the most common Irish family names and examples of famous Murphys include actors Cillian Murphy, Eddie Murphy, and Brittany Murphy. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Daly 25. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. i.e. And the extremely vague, tenuous claims as to how blacks may have acquired Irish or Scottish surnames. Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. McClure here and I am proud of my black and Irish ancestry. Each induvial from different areas of the continent have unique differences. I Will keep the research going and will write another post that you will love. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. In June 2020, Darker Still Spirits . Famous McDermotts include actors Dylan McDermott and Charlie McDermott. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. These new mulatto slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. Slavery is still happening today and not prevailing with just Blacks. Lets not forget the Red vs White; Yellow vs White; and Brown vs White. Well my last name is carmickle. When the KKK did not get enough traction in the south in the early part of the 20th century they moved North and preyed upon the Irish and Catholic immigrant. British Penal Code offenders, Irish Rebels and, the destitute hardly have the power to enter into voluntary servitude (whether some poor actually did or not), it would be like calling your dog a voluntary pet. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? Im curious to know how/why the Irish slaves were able to keep their Irish last names?Traditionally slaves had to take on their owners last name. the diffrence is the irish support other oppressed nations not cry that they were treated worst. I do so only under protest. Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. Salem Quarterly Court. Thank you for this information. Slavery, in any oppressive, dehumanizing form is wrong! Your comment about liberals is also misdirected, they dont seem to be making the argument for Irish slavery. Whats your point? Hackett was later hung for what he did. My Great great great grandmother was the daughter of an Irish Slave Owner. The main difference is that 600,000 people died in a civil war to end Black slavery, not Irish indentured service. Very few are disputing that the British were horrific to the Irish, and to some extent, the Scottish as well. go and read about cromwell in ireland. Banishment did not solve the problem completely, so King James , the second gave his blessing and encouragement to the selling off of Irish men and women as slaves to the English planters who at this time were becoming entrenched and very rich. Irish slaves. The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. The term Black Irish has been in circulation for centuries, with Irish whiskeys such as Mariah Careys Black Irish cream liqueur and Northern Ireland-based Darker Still Spirits Company Black Irish Whiskey even naming their products after the term. Its a human one! It started with a video of the Black Irish of Montserrat. Salem, Massachusetts. I always wondered why a lot of families there had Irish last names (Riley, Dubbery etc.) Communicating with an African would have been a completely different matter, and names would have been unpronounceable and incomprehensible to any white slave owner. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? The pirates let the Irish Gaels go free. So ran another search on that and got this: http://www.libraryireland.com/names/od/o-dubhdaleithe.php. I wonder if the Irish will be told to get over it already the same way African Americans and Canadians are told. At the time the Irish were indentured or enslaved or some similar term, the Irish were not yet categorized as white but as just Irish. Read How the Irish became white. Then also read The Invention of the White Race., Good information and horrible pass but good to know and tell others about it, This is absolutely fascinating. Modern examples of Irish/African being Barack Obama, Muhammad Ali, Dr Martin Luther King, Dr Henry Louis Gates, Colin Powell etc Even in modern times the two groups live in a lot of the same places, vote the same way politically, and both historically have been devalued unfairly by the Romanized world. The article failed to explain that. There were school busses, city busses in which I stood my ground my grandmother let me be she was not of color ,but she wasnt white nor racist.. I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. You see Irish people as part of your oppressors because they have the same skin colour, and you resort to the exact racial slurs and derogatory comments that the white English used against them the same white English that oppressed YOUR ancestors. Please advise. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." They served for an agreed amount of time (usually seven years), the agreements were not always honored. It is also fascinating to see that American society changed its caste system from strictly class based to skin based in just a couple of centuries. Visit The Information about Irelandsite to read more about Irish history, culture, and heritage. Notable Cunninghams include American professional basketball player Dante Cunningham and football quarterback Randall Cunningham. Example, the habitual practice of African slaves being thrown off ships in transit and subsequently drowned/murdered , so slave owners could claim insurance. Im reading these blogs and Im thinking to my self, what does this article have to do with irish slaves? Yes, the Irish were treated horribly by the English, but they were not sold as slaves, per se, to the West Indies. At this point eyes are cast around for new slaves, from somewhere that isnt yet a taboo source. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. Variant of Donoghue. IT IS A SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CARE FOR ANY RACEKNOW THAT TO ANY CAUCASION OR TO THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL XOXO, [] How Blacks have Irish Last Names [], Lies. Just as some Black werent slaves, but that is neither representative of the story of American slavery or their lot I would suspect. The largest number of Irish descendants reside in the United States, while in Australia, those sharing in Irish ancestry account for a higher percentage of the population than in any other country, except Ireland. More White Supremacist bullshit there were no white slaves, the Irish and Scots were originally black people, they descend from black Hebrew Israelites called the Iber (Heber or Eber, vowels are interchangeable and are the same people who travelled to Africa and called themselves the Ibo or Igbo). Interesting read on the landowners and the British rule in Ireland. Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. If you look at census lists or the property lists of white planters, you will see that their human property were only given first names. Ireland has rather bloody history like these regions of Africa. I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. To doubt that the Irish could be treated worse and be so adamant about it because of what you have been told your whole life makes you a bigot! Further, the statement, I am offended not by the story and the facts, but by the dishonest comparison. this is an insult to intellect! I am tired of the Irish and their historical lies!!!!! The article highlights the horrors that happened, The extent of which is nightmarish. Something to keep in mind as you read. Oh and as part of an undergraduate class on American History of Business, I spent a significant portion of that class looking at actual microfilm of ads for at first, RUNAWAY INDENTURED SERVANTS in the USA and had to evaluate what changed in those ads for runaways as the business of getting help changed from INDENTURED temporary workers to ENSLAVED PROPERTY owned by those placing ads. In many cases freed slaves took the surname of people who were also kind to them. 10. Erm, just a thought, but most Irish of the day would have had some knowledge of English, or been fluent. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. 3. O'Rourke Irish spelling: Ruairc Meaning: Descendent of Ruarc, King of Brifne (an area including counties Leitrim and Connacht). At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. From a real Irish person, who didnt get shipped over to America but whos ancestors have fought against the oppression of Britannia and ultimately Rome (the Pope) for over 800years. Ryan is another popular Irish family name across the world. Only a few took on the last names of their former owners, some took names from the Bible. They fought their fellow Irishmen in the Confederate army who had similiar motivations. When a White indentured servant or slave walked away or escaped his master or owner, he or she could go just about any place they choose and live their lives as free White people. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. The term " black Irish " refers to persons of Irish descent who are supposed to be descendants of the Spanish Armada, which sailed around the middle of the 15th century, and had dark hair and or eyes. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. Instead of using the word slaves, they were paid $per head and this made their enslavement different from that of blacks,so they became Indentured servants so were..the Asians mostly Indians..all the Mcdonald McCain McCoy all the Mc are Scottish ..to increased the whites population they send debtors ,who couldnt pay what they owe, and repeat criminals , the later date up to 1918 children were removed from orphanages from all across England. Its effect with regard to the subject of slavery on a whole only minimizes the atrocities of slavery and bigotry. There were Irish owners. 1. the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing. It appears that everyone, including you, completely ignored my comment where I pointed out that the British would hire pirates, specifically Barbary Pirates from North Africa and the Middle eatern areas, to raid entire Irish villages with the intent of wiping out said village so the British could take over the land and do with it as they wish. So while many where likely shipped to the new colonies and the West Indies, it was likely as indentured servants, not slaves. O'Connell 26. in 1697 John Locke recommended the whipping of those who refused to work and the herding of beggars into workhouses. Those issues are the racism, the bigotry and the discrimination we face daily. I think the more realistic story of how many Blacks got Irish last names is that there were rich Irish who owned slaves too. No last names are listed as none were given. It was common in the 1600s for the Irish prefixes O and Mac to be dropped from Irish names. You all talking rubbish, Under 800 years of English rule millions of irish died at the hand of the British. Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. That Slavery is colour blind but profit centred. Truth is, there was and is a huge ethnic and national diversity in Africa, and between those groups some had conquered others. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. Although, I recognize that the facts of this article are in dispute, with regard to the treatment of the Irish by the British Empire, knowing what I do about history, it is not entirely unlikely that much of this is true. Really good point. That meant they came here and worked their debt off and paid for their freedom. My family history is very interesting..anyway they cant sweep all this under the rug anymore thanks to documents of proof which are online for the world to see now!! In Gaelic, the Irish native language, the word for black (or dark) is 'dubh', and foreigner is 'gall'. Did irish people have it worse than blacks??? To answer the question that is proposed in the headline, it was primarily due to Irish slave masters and testing the Y chromosome provides evidence of this. Thanks for trying to provide some historical fair play to the memory of Irish Slaves.). When they came to America they where made to take the last name of the slave owner. Scottish poet and lyricist Robbie Burns is one of the most well-known people called Burns. On this issue, as often happens, the ignorant aspirants to house nigguh status are still carrying water for the masters. I can trace my Ancestry on my Maternal Grandmothers (Fathers) side of the Family Tree back to Ireland. What people seem to be missing is the point of contention that exists today. Jesus was born in the mid east, why do people believe that his hair is blond and straight, and have white skin, even hanging on the walls of black people, along with Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, John Kennedy. Keir. Another clue are terms "Black Dutch" and "Black Irish." These were used by families to hide their ethnicity. As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. Disgusting hypocrites and totalitarians, thats what they are. Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? If you have not already, you need to do some actual genealogical research on your family to see if you are indeed genetically Irish and if so, if that occurred due to your ancestors being enslaved by an Irish family or the Scots-Irish (they both come up on DNA tests as Irish). The truth is, you are an Israelite. Surname Origin Irish Last Names Irish Last Names L. Elizabeth Forry Updated: July 29, 2022 Find your Irish last name and learn about its meaning and origins on this list of popular Irish surnames. None of this was forced, as that would have hurt productivity, rather than helped, and the incentive of a female slave having reduced work during pregnancy encouragement enough. There are absolutely no records of this crap, only modern lore that is bandied about as long lost truths. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. Although my name has awarded me a lot of great opportunities because it looks great on paper; Im a 60 tall African American from GEORGIA .I HAD TO KNOW!!!!!!! Other theories suggest that the term Black Irish results from Irish immigrants. The Kelley family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. No. Surnames today: There are many different origins for Irish names today but the vast majority can be broken down into either of three categories: Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and finally Anglo-Irish. If it wasnt profitable, they wouldnt have done it. Horrific story, and the things the Irish went through shouldnt be forgotten. American TV star Brooke Hogan and professional wrestler Hulk Hogan are two of the most well known Hogans. Slavery is not the problem we have to endure. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. Many of the invaders' families took Gaelic names that utilized these two descriptive words. It began as indentured slavery otherwise known as servitude. I wish the writer had included some references. Others you may not be as familiar with outside of Ireland are Whelan ( Faolin in Gaelic) and OKeeffe ( Caoimh in Gaelic). The master, overseer, slave driver and all of their male relatives or any white male visiting a plantation for business purposes could access any black woman and rape her. Or the violence committed by Irish American youth against POC in places like Boston and New York. Those who completed their term of service were awarded freedom dues and were free. and then share it for the world to see. Not just the Irish. No one forced them to commit a crime. Is what happend to the Irish also a fulfillment of prophecy? Variant of Doherty. The term "Black Irish" has been in circulation among Irish emigrants and their descendants for centuries. This is a human issue, not a race one. The migrants became 'Gaelicized' and formed septs (a kind of clan) along Gaelic lines. It didnt GOD made all the races and it was good. What may be a mytth, however, is the numbers posited in the original article. There were no Jim Crow laws restricting Irish. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. Who were the black Irish? Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. Whether the stereotype is based on truth or not, I have no personal knowledge. In Ireland, singer Daniel ODonnell is one of the most famous people with this surname. Here are 10 of them: 1. Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, vol. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave. There are many variants of the name such as. Prisoners whether for rebellion or minor offenses ended up in service. That is why African Americans carry Irish surnames today. They became very wealthy and powerful at the expense of their foes and rivals. Compare Blatch and Blick . English landowners would literally pay pirates to come and raid entire villages on the Irish land they owned, to get rid of the renters so the landowner could do as he wished with the land. I have some European and native American ancestry, but I claim African American only!!! Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. Irish poet Patrick Kavanagh is one of the most famous people by the surname Kavanagh. The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. Famous ONeills include Eugene ONeill, who was the only American playwright to ever receive the Nobel Prize for Literature. In fact he intimated that the conditions were at least just as bad when he said, We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.. Actor, director, and screenwriter Scott Foley is the most famous person by the name Foley. O'Neill 11. Those who live in the north of the country may hold various national identities, including Irish, Northern Irish, and British. Some would conquer their enemies to gain power, land, wealth and additional wealth by selling their slaves to slave traders. The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. A less cruel owner with black slaves who do not forget were more valuable, would treat them better than a meaner person with Irish, and visa versa. You are so wrong common sense should tell you how did all colors come from 2 people. And he made a profit out of it. All the while the ruling class was laughing at us all. And i agree. When someone thinks of American culture they think of Scots-Irish. And I didnt look at the color of the skin of my brothers nor sisters. My last name is Dingle. All of the people I have ever met with the last name Orr have been white, Im a brown girl. While plantation owners certainly did rape and father children by enslaved women, many were absentee owners who only visited their plantations seversl times a year, this is especially true in the Caribbean. Not really. The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. Unlike the African slaves, the Irish were physically indistinguishable from the English. Anyway, this was a great read. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. This article is merely an attempt to connect whites to Deuteronomy within the KJV Bible. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. Until then, Africans were primarily indentured servants, just like the Irish and other white immigrants to the New World. This answers a hell of a lot for me. The West, wrongly puts Africa, which is a continent not a country, as all the same people. Did they have a say in being sold off to a new master? However, let me respond. King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Learn more. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. if you dont believe it, then so be it, I want to believe it because I know the lady very well, that shared another ladies work for us, be kind to one another, because the good book says we are all related, because of Adam and Eve. Weird! Or was it an indirect outcome of the permition of owning slaves? http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/traditional/names/first/dudley.shtm, The name Dudley in Ireland is often of immigrant origin having been introduced into Ulster Province by settlers from England and Scotland, especially during the seventeenth century. The name Cullen is best known from the fictional family of the Twilight book and film series. Rounding out the Top 40, here are the next 30 most common names among African-Americans and Caribbean people: Taylor (Jayceon Terrel Taylor "The Game") Wilson (Charlie Wilson) Moore (Shemar Moore) White (Barry White) Lewis (Carl Lewis) Walker (Jimmie J. J. Walker) Green (Al Green) Thompson (Kenan Thompson) Washington (Denzel Washington) Theres no question that the Irish werent treated very well. Despite my Polish name I am from Irish heritage on my mothers side (OKanes) and knew how much she and the family still spoke of the atrocities of Cromwell so much as I would like to believe this it doesnt stand up to the evidence this does https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. Surname Origin: English, Scottish, Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: Browne, Braun, Broun, Breun, Bruun, Bruan, Brun, Bruene, Brohn Brown is the second most common surname among African Americans in the United States.