They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. 4. I posted my last post like 3 days ago and it just came up recently. Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. Ok how about some peace Blessed are the peacemakers I apologize for my abrasive writing style and did not purposely write to offend you, but make no mistake, someone can be dunked until they know every minnow by name, but that doesnt make them saved. We are not under law. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. For example, G.L. I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. Ministry experience: Over thirty years of experience in Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches, serving in . There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. A couple of things. I was always told ten percent and thats I give for the most part unless I cant afford it in which case I give what I can. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. Tithing preceded the OT Law. Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. In answer your assumptions about me. We don't have enough information about nwbbc.com safety, we need to dig a little deeper before we make the call. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. I am having a hard time figuring you out. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. At any rate, logical fallacies dont need to be in or out of context to be called logical fallacies. This is Bible 101 stuff. The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. This directory, containing close to 10,000 churches and counting, is aimed at getting you the information you need when you need it. Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). 3.) In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. She is not shunned. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. We use our monetary resources alone. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. Im not sure how they upkept thier Synagogue & relate dcostbut if Im not mistaken I learned during a conference that they actually gave more than our equivalent of a tenth in regards to thier goods/wealth (like mince, spices, etc)and perhaps separate monetray covered that cost or these items were bartered/traded to pay bills. It was my burden since then that it seems Jesus wants to gather His flock, but the Wolf in Sheeps Clothing really scattered the sheep resulting to lots of denominations. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. There were other factors, such as the show business aspects of the preaching as well as the powertripping that actually planted my difficulties to begin with. Jesus quoted the old testament. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277). But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. Im sorry Brother Irv, but you are wrong. The message is set. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. Thanks but addressed all points. I would like to hear further explanation of the following: The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. Please excuse me. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. Just curious. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. 7. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. fundamental, Baptist, church. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. HOME SERMONS ARTICLES CONTACT ABOUT US: Preacher's Ponderings. Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church as found in the New Testament. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). There he became the pastor of the Puritan church. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. I think a biblical case can be made for modesty, for both men and women, beyond that, you would be hard-pressed to find anything else. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. I have to tell you, Lynne, if you want to keep one part of the law, without keeping the rest of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . This is just too weird for me to not comment on. Hope youll check it out. G.L. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. (man of God). That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. Again, its not about how we dress, but about who we are. . Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. Tithing is not for God. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. Any way dont want to lie on any church. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. May The Lord bless us, and keep us: The Lord make his face shine upon us, and be gracious unto us: The Lord lift up his countenance upon us, and give us peace. It became an independent church in 1746. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. They are worlds apart. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give.
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